@blissbrah - i think entering j2 w/o j1 is possible and more common for
bayes✓@bayeslord
did we, uh, solve jhanas? is there anyone reading this that has tried to learn them and had it not work out (at least for the first few jhanas)?
bayes✓@bayeslord
if this is you feel free to reply here and i will give my thoughts, or you can dm if that feels more appropriate
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Milan Mecklenburg@MilanMeck
@bayeslord @nickcammarata Jhana 1 hard take off felt too extreme for my nervous system, and I didn't experience being reliably able to get back to a normal / non-stimulated emotional state, barely sleeping for 3 days. So keeping my hands off it for now
Milan Mecklenburg@MilanMeck
Thank you! I do think my system is at the sensitive end of things. How feasible do you think is it for a beginner to skip j1 and go straight to, say, j2? This would be less likely to be overwhelming right? Also, has anyone written down a guide on how to get back to a normal emotional state, or is that just not a common issue?
owen✓@blissbrah
2025-02-16i think entering j2 w/o j1 is possible and more common for folks using metta as the vehicle, rather than switching from neutral meditation object after access concentration to a pleasurable sensation
other possible experiments are:
1) practicing surrendering to intensity using cold showers. this helped me let go more into the intensity of j1
2) preemptive dissolving expectations about this "recurring problem". i've found it helpful to forgive resistance to a situation that i am fearing will occur again, e.g. flinching away from intense pleasure
3) micro-dosing pleasure and enjoyment by noticing and savoring such moments throughout the day to get the system used to experiencing higher levels. this is a technique i used to deterministically enter j2 without needing to navigate through j1